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Our cousin the rat
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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
2012-04-19 16:56:43 UTC
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I just found the perfect species for the human species. It came to me
as was watching a nature program, something called "Twisted Tales."
Anyway the animal in question is THE RAT. Hey, don't get squeamish
about it. In the Orient they are held in high regard and thus we have
the Year of the Rat. The rat is the worst predator to mankind and yet
it can be tamed to be the perfect pet. Many psychological studies are
done on the rat since they share our brain biology. And we can learn
something unique about our two species: WE BOTH NEED THE WHEEL to keep
our physical and mental balance, which means we can not be seating in
a box and expected to be happy. No wonder people find the bicycle to
be the perfect tool for happiness and well being. And we are social
animals like rats, so we suffer from the same isolation. My campaign
"Monkey out of the Cage" reflects that need.

But that's only my humble opinion.


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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
2012-04-20 12:42:36 UTC
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:04:11 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:55:53 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
Post by TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
I just found the perfect species for the human species. It came to me
as was watching a nature program, something called "Twisted Tales."
Anyway the animal in question is THE RAT. Hey, don't get squeamish
about it. In the Orient they are held in high regard and thus we have
the Year of the Rat. The rat is the worst predator to mankind and yet
it can be tamed to be the perfect pet. Many psychological studies are
done on the rat since they share our brain biology. And we can learn
something unique about our two species: WE BOTH NEED THE WHEEL to keep
our physical and mental balance, which means we can not be seating in
a box and expected to be happy. No wonder people find the bicycle to
be the perfect tool for happiness and well being. And we are social
animals like rats, so we suffer from the same isolation. My campaign
"Monkey out of the Cage" reflects that need.
But that's only my humble opinion.
It is true that rats are used in laboratory experiments by behavioral
psycologists. I took a course in grad school but fortunately had to
run experiments using pigens and was spared the rats.
The problem in using data from such experiments -- using either
rats or pigeons -- and using the results to predict behavior of
humans, is that we don't live or operate in a closed environment
and we deal with far, far more variables in our lives than the
rats and pigeons are subjected to in these experiments.
Think about it. You can control the stimuli a rat or a pigeon
in a cage are exposed to. Humans don't live in cages and we
are bombarded with competing stimuli and you can't replicate
the pigeon, rat experiments on humans.
Seriously, I think our basic needs are the same, though there's a vast
cultural difference. We still need FOOD, EXERCISE, HOME, COMPANY, etc.
In experiments with rats they are trained to press a bar in reaction
to certain stimuli. Pigeons are trained to peck at stimuli. They are
rewarded by doing each proper peck with a food pellet for rats or
some corn for pigeons. Out of the laboratory people with degrees in
behavioral psychology work
mostly with mentally challenged folks to try to change unwanted
behaviors. In my behavioral psycholoy class some students were
assigned to follow around on the bus and elsewhere a young man
who had the unfortunate habit of lifting up women's skirts and
peeking under them. His parents were wealthy and paid the college
to have this retinue work with their son. They gave him a lot of
attention and approval when he behaved normally and shunned
him when he didn't. He was a lonely kid so he responded well
to this scenario but when out of the presence of the students
he went right back to it. One of the male students commented
his parents should simply hire a prostitute for the lad.
Some of their methods do work well. For example some
parents only pay attention to their kids when they are acting
up. This attention reinforces the behavior because attention
from parents is a strong reinforcer for little kids. So it is
effective to withdraw parental attention when a kid is
acting up by a time out --removing the kid to his or her
room for example. But it is equally important give the kid
attention when he or she is behaving well.
There are some things from rat/pigeon experiments in
behavioral pyschology that can be useful for human
behavior modification but they are limited largely to
small children and mentally limited adults.
And this great wisdom is wasted if we fail to improve the lot of the
cyclist/pedestrian. It seems to me that we are punishing good behavior
and rewarding bad behavior. We should be punishing the bully and
making sure that those who are trying to improve themselves and the
world are safe from intimidation. It's like if we mix rats and mice
and fail to provide separation. It's not a good idea.

Driver behavior modification is possible if we use the right stimuli.
unknown
2012-04-22 11:29:34 UTC
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:04:11 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:55:53 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
Post by TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
I just found the perfect species for the human species. It came to me
as was watching a nature program, something called "Twisted Tales."
Anyway the animal in question is THE RAT. Hey, don't get squeamish
about it. In the Orient they are held in high regard and thus we have
the Year of the Rat. The rat is the worst predator to mankind and yet
it can be tamed to be the perfect pet. Many psychological studies are
done on the rat since they share our brain biology. And we can learn
something unique about our two species: WE BOTH NEED THE WHEEL to keep
our physical and mental balance, which means we can not be seating in
a box and expected to be happy. No wonder people find the bicycle to
be the perfect tool for happiness and well being. And we are social
animals like rats, so we suffer from the same isolation. My campaign
"Monkey out of the Cage" reflects that need.
But that's only my humble opinion.
It is true that rats are used in laboratory experiments by behavioral
psycologists. I took a course in grad school but fortunately had to
run experiments using pigens and was spared the rats.
The problem in using data from such experiments -- using either
rats or pigeons -- and using the results to predict behavior of
humans, is that we don't live or operate in a closed environment
and we deal with far, far more variables in our lives than the
rats and pigeons are subjected to in these experiments.
Think about it. You can control the stimuli a rat or a pigeon
in a cage are exposed to. Humans don't live in cages and we
are bombarded with competing stimuli and you can't replicate
the pigeon, rat experiments on humans.
Seriously, I think our basic needs are the same, though there's a vast
cultural difference. We still need FOOD, EXERCISE, HOME, COMPANY, etc.
In experiments with rats they are trained to press a bar in reaction
to certain stimuli. Pigeons are trained to peck at stimuli. They are
rewarded by doing each proper peck with a food pellet for rats or
some corn for pigeons. Out of the laboratory people with degrees in
behavioral psychology work
mostly with mentally challenged folks to try to change unwanted
behaviors. In my behavioral psycholoy class some students were
assigned to follow around on the bus and elsewhere a young man
who had the unfortunate habit of lifting up women's skirts and
peeking under them. His parents were wealthy and paid the college
to have this retinue work with their son. They gave him a lot of
attention and approval when he behaved normally and shunned
him when he didn't. He was a lonely kid so he responded well
to this scenario but when out of the presence of the students
he went right back to it. One of the male students commented
his parents should simply hire a prostitute for the lad.
Some of their methods do work well. For example some
parents only pay attention to their kids when they are acting
up. This attention reinforces the behavior because attention
from parents is a strong reinforcer for little kids. So it is
effective to withdraw parental attention when a kid is
acting up by a time out --removing the kid to his or her
room for example. But it is equally important give the kid
attention when he or she is behaving well.
There are some things from rat/pigeon experiments in
behavioral pyschology that can be useful for human
behavior modification but they are limited largely to
small children and mentally limited adults.
And this great wisdom is wasted if we fail to improve the lot of the
cyclist/pedestrian. It seems to me that we are punishing good behavior
and rewarding bad behavior. We should be punishing the bully and
making sure that those who are trying to improve themselves and the
world are safe from intimidation. It's like if we mix rats and mice
and fail to provide separation. It's not a good idea.
Driver behavior modification is possible if we use the right stimuli.

TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
2012-04-22 18:53:40 UTC
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On Apr 20, 8:40 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
Post by TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:04:11 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:55:53 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
Post by TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
I just found the perfect species for the human species. It came to me
as was watching a nature program, something called "Twisted Tales."
Anyway the animal in question is THE RAT. Hey, don't get squeamish
about it. In the Orient they are held in high regard and thus we have
the Year of the Rat. The rat is the worst predator to mankind and yet
it can be tamed to be the perfect pet. Many psychological studies are
done on the rat since they share our brain biology. And we can learn
something unique about our two species: WE BOTH NEED THE WHEEL to keep
our physical and mental balance, which means we can not be seating in
a box and expected to be happy. No wonder people find the bicycle to
be the perfect tool for happiness and well being. And we are social
animals like rats, so we suffer from the same isolation. My campaign
"Monkey out of the Cage" reflects that need.
But that's only my humble opinion.
It is true that rats are used in laboratory experiments by behavioral
psycologists. I took a course in grad school but fortunately had to
run experiments using pigens and was spared the rats.
The problem in using data from such experiments -- using either
rats or pigeons -- and using the results to predict behavior of
humans, is that we don't live or operate in a closed environment
and we deal with far, far more variables in our lives than the
rats and pigeons are subjected to in these experiments.
Think about it. You can control the stimuli a rat or a pigeon
in a cage are exposed to. Humans don't live in cages and we
are bombarded with competing stimuli and you can't replicate
the pigeon, rat experiments on humans.
Seriously, I think our basic needs are the same, though there's a vast
cultural difference. We still need FOOD, EXERCISE, HOME, COMPANY, etc.
In experiments with rats they are trained to press a bar in reaction
to certain stimuli. Pigeons are trained to peck at stimuli. They are
rewarded by doing each proper peck with a food pellet for rats or
some corn for pigeons. Out of the laboratory people with degrees in
behavioral psychology work
mostly with mentally challenged folks to try to change unwanted
behaviors. In my behavioral psycholoy class some students were
assigned to follow around on the bus and elsewhere a young man
who had the unfortunate habit of lifting up women's skirts and
peeking under them. His parents were wealthy and paid the college
to have this retinue work with their son. They gave him a lot of
attention and approval when he behaved normally and shunned
him when he didn't. He was a lonely kid so he responded well
to this scenario but when out of the presence of the students
he went right back to it. One of the male students commented
his parents should simply hire a prostitute for the lad.
Some of their methods do work well. For example some
parents only pay attention to their kids when they are acting
up. This attention reinforces the behavior because attention
from parents is a strong reinforcer for little kids. So it is
effective to withdraw parental attention when a kid is
acting up by a time out --removing the kid to his or her
room for example. But it is equally important give the kid
attention when he or she is behaving well.
There are some things from rat/pigeon experiments in
behavioral pyschology that can be useful for human
behavior modification but they are limited largely to
small children and mentally limited adults.
And this great wisdom is wasted if we fail to improve the lot of the
cyclist/pedestrian. It seems to me that we are punishing good behavior
and rewarding bad behavior. We should be punishing the bully and
making sure that those who are trying to improve themselves and the
world are safe from intimidation. It's like if we mix rats and mice
and fail to provide separation. It's not a good idea.
Driver behavior modification is possible if we use the right stimuli.
Sorry, but this is a great opportunity to challenge myself and improve
the understand of animal behavior.

We can reward a driver for being courteous, but we can not punish
them. That falls squarely on the shoulders of our master.

I thought about it while riding a bike.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
2012-04-22 20:15:13 UTC
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On Apr 22, 2:52 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
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On Apr 20, 8:40 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
Post by TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:04:11 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:55:53 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
Post by TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
I just found the perfect species for the human species. It came to me
as was watching a nature program, something called "Twisted Tales."
Anyway the animal in question is THE RAT. Hey, don't get squeamish
about it. In the Orient they are held in high regard and thus we have
the Year of the Rat. The rat is the worst predator to mankind and yet
it can be tamed to be the perfect pet. Many psychological studies are
done on the rat since they share our brain biology. And we can learn
something unique about our two species: WE BOTH NEED THE WHEEL to keep
our physical and mental balance, which means we can not be seating in
a box and expected to be happy. No wonder people find the bicycle to
be the perfect tool for happiness and well being. And we are social
animals like rats, so we suffer from the same isolation. My campaign
"Monkey out of the Cage" reflects that need.
But that's only my humble opinion.
It is true that rats are used in laboratory experiments by behavioral
psycologists. I took a course in grad school but fortunately had to
run experiments using pigens and was spared the rats.
The problem in using data from such experiments -- using either
rats or pigeons -- and using the results to predict behavior of
humans, is that we don't live or operate in a closed environment
and we deal with far, far more variables in our lives than the
rats and pigeons are subjected to in these experiments.
Think about it. You can control the stimuli a rat or a pigeon
in a cage are exposed to. Humans don't live in cages and we
are bombarded with competing stimuli and you can't replicate
the pigeon, rat experiments on humans.
Seriously, I think our basic needs are the same, though there's a vast
cultural difference. We still need FOOD, EXERCISE, HOME, COMPANY, etc.
In experiments with rats they are trained to press a bar in reaction
to certain stimuli. Pigeons are trained to peck at stimuli. They are
rewarded by doing each proper peck with a food pellet for rats or
some corn for pigeons. Out of the laboratory people with degrees in
behavioral psychology work
mostly with mentally challenged folks to try to change unwanted
behaviors. In my behavioral psycholoy class some students were
assigned to follow around on the bus and elsewhere a young man
who had the unfortunate habit of lifting up women's skirts and
peeking under them. His parents were wealthy and paid the college
to have this retinue work with their son. They gave him a lot of
attention and approval when he behaved normally and shunned
him when he didn't. He was a lonely kid so he responded well
to this scenario but when out of the presence of the students
he went right back to it. One of the male students commented
his parents should simply hire a prostitute for the lad.
Some of their methods do work well. For example some
parents only pay attention to their kids when they are acting
up. This attention reinforces the behavior because attention
from parents is a strong reinforcer for little kids. So it is
effective to withdraw parental attention when a kid is
acting up by a time out --removing the kid to his or her
room for example. But it is equally important give the kid
attention when he or she is behaving well.
There are some things from rat/pigeon experiments in
behavioral pyschology that can be useful for human
behavior modification but they are limited largely to
small children and mentally limited adults.
And this great wisdom is wasted if we fail to improve the lot of the
cyclist/pedestrian. It seems to me that we are punishing good behavior
and rewarding bad behavior. We should be punishing the bully and
making sure that those who are trying to improve themselves and the
world are safe from intimidation. It's like if we mix rats and mice
and fail to provide separation. It's not a good idea.
Driver behavior modification is possible if we use the right stimuli.
Sorry, but this is a great opportunity to challenge myself and improve
the understand of animal behavior.
We can reward a driver for being courteous, but we can not punish
them. That falls squarely on the shoulders of our master.
I thought about it while riding a bike.
Oh, I almost forgot this nearly significant incident:

I was riding in this quiet area, riding across crosswalk on secondary
street, then this car sitting on main street decides to make a right
and charge. I braked in panic, but I think she was sending a message:
"I don't like you to be on my path, monkey." Other people around so
they fear nothing in letting those animal instincts loose. That's what
worries me, that's there always people around and say nothing.
unknown
2012-04-22 21:23:18 UTC
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On Apr 22, 2:52 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
Post by TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
On Apr 20, 8:40 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
Post by TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:04:11 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:55:53 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
Post by TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
I just found the perfect species for the human species. It came to me
as was watching a nature program, something called "Twisted Tales."
Anyway the animal in question is THE RAT. Hey, don't get squeamish
about it. In the Orient they are held in high regard and thus we have
the Year of the Rat. The rat is the worst predator to mankind and yet
it can be tamed to be the perfect pet. Many psychological studies are
done on the rat since they share our brain biology. And we can learn
something unique about our two species: WE BOTH NEED THE WHEEL to keep
our physical and mental balance, which means we can not be seating in
a box and expected to be happy. No wonder people find the bicycle to
be the perfect tool for happiness and well being. And we are social
animals like rats, so we suffer from the same isolation. My campaign
"Monkey out of the Cage" reflects that need.
But that's only my humble opinion.
It is true that rats are used in laboratory experiments by behavioral
psycologists. I took a course in grad school but fortunately had to
run experiments using pigens and was spared the rats.
The problem in using data from such experiments -- using either
rats or pigeons -- and using the results to predict behavior of
humans, is that we don't live or operate in a closed environment
and we deal with far, far more variables in our lives than the
rats and pigeons are subjected to in these experiments.
Think about it. You can control the stimuli a rat or a pigeon
in a cage are exposed to. Humans don't live in cages and we
are bombarded with competing stimuli and you can't replicate
the pigeon, rat experiments on humans.
Seriously, I think our basic needs are the same, though there's a vast
cultural difference. We still need FOOD, EXERCISE, HOME, COMPANY, etc.
In experiments with rats they are trained to press a bar in reaction
to certain stimuli. Pigeons are trained to peck at stimuli. They are
rewarded by doing each proper peck with a food pellet for rats or
some corn for pigeons. Out of the laboratory people with degrees in
behavioral psychology work
mostly with mentally challenged folks to try to change unwanted
behaviors. In my behavioral psycholoy class some students were
assigned to follow around on the bus and elsewhere a young man
who had the unfortunate habit of lifting up women's skirts and
peeking under them. His parents were wealthy and paid the college
to have this retinue work with their son. They gave him a lot of
attention and approval when he behaved normally and shunned
him when he didn't. He was a lonely kid so he responded well
to this scenario but when out of the presence of the students
he went right back to it. One of the male students commented
his parents should simply hire a prostitute for the lad.
Some of their methods do work well. For example some
parents only pay attention to their kids when they are acting
up. This attention reinforces the behavior because attention
from parents is a strong reinforcer for little kids. So it is
effective to withdraw parental attention when a kid is
acting up by a time out --removing the kid to his or her
room for example. But it is equally important give the kid
attention when he or she is behaving well.
There are some things from rat/pigeon experiments in
behavioral pyschology that can be useful for human
behavior modification but they are limited largely to
small children and mentally limited adults.
And this great wisdom is wasted if we fail to improve the lot of the
cyclist/pedestrian. It seems to me that we are punishing good behavior
and rewarding bad behavior. We should be punishing the bully and
making sure that those who are trying to improve themselves and the
world are safe from intimidation. It's like if we mix rats and mice
and fail to provide separation. It's not a good idea.
Driver behavior modification is possible if we use the right stimuli.
Sorry, but this is a great opportunity to challenge myself and improve
the understand of animal behavior.
We can reward a driver for being courteous, but we can not punish
them. That falls squarely on the shoulders of our master.
I thought about it while riding a bike.
I was riding in this quiet area, riding across crosswalk on secondary
street, then this car sitting on main street decides to make a right
"I don't like you to be on my path, monkey." Other people around so
they fear nothing in letting those animal instincts loose. That's what
worries me, that's there always people around and say nothing.
Poof, ya just got rewarded, I posted a post to ur post,......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning_theory_(education)

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